Re: M & B No.2

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: : Thanks for the info. Hope one of you guys gets the first shot at the M & B. Have a Happy New Year. M.P. : : : : : : : Brendon, : : : : Please read following link. : : : : : : : : http://www.kenoshacounty.com/community/book2folder/wisconsin.html : : : : It states it has been found in 125 feet of water. : : : : Comments? : : : : : : : : My take on the MB2 is that she simply hasn't been run over yet. I believe Moore's graph was debunked, but I'm not absolutely sure. With all the people who've searched since the graph was taken, I'd assume it has been investigated. Also, there have been literally hundreds of fish finder bumps that have been claimed to be the wreck. All have been other ships. It is probably not possible for a ship of this size to be completely sunk in mud. She will probably be found within the next few years as side scan sonar becomes more available. : : : : : The Senator has not been found despite recent searches. She is in rather deep water by any accounting and is probably to deep to justify any attempt to remove the cars, even if the State of Wisconsin allowed the attempt (which they would definitely contest in court). Past experiences with 1920s era cars sunk in the Great Lakes indicates that the cars will be well beyond salvage and immediately being to corrode at an astounding rate as soon as they hit air. Without an electrolysis bath (costing way more than the car is worth) the cars become piles of red powder within a few years. The cars will tend to last longer if left under water, but even there, they will corrode to nothing within 100 years. As such, I think it is safe to say they are beyond salvage unless someone wanted to invest big bucks (six figures) in professional laboratory conservation for each car. A claim on the wreck could be attempted by the person that locates it, but it would be contested by the State based on the Abandoned Shipwreck Act and the legal outcome of such a claim is still far from certain. At the very least, the litigation would be more expensive than the value of anything that could be recovered from the vessel. : : : : : It's fun to dream about treasure ships on the Lakes, but the present reality is such that for archeological, logistical and legal reasons, very few wrecks on the Lakes are candidates for profitable salvage. : : : : : : : : : : Being from the sticks I don't get near the lakes much but when I do I usually come up with some questions. Here are my two. : : : : : : 1. Where is the M&B No. 2? I realize that a lot of people would soon answer that than win the lottery but can she really be that far down in the mud? What of Captain Sam Moore's graph of the 1960's, what was that? : : : : : : Any theories? : : : : : : 2. Has the SENATOR ever been found? and if so what would you do with 200 some odd Nash's? : : : : : : Thanks, M.P.

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